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乐 土
翻译：盲橘右京
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狗狗们对你来说意味着什么? What do your dogs mean to you?
整个世界 The whole world, I'd say.
- 对你来说呢 希拉? - 一切 - What does she mean to you, Sheila? - Everything.
时间轴：剑齿虎
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她是你们的挚友吗? Is she your best friend?
- 没错 - 没错 - Yes. Yes. - Yes.
她是谁的? Whose best friend if she?
- 我的 - 我们俩的 - Mine. - Both of ours.
他的性情如何? What's his personality would you say?
额... 自信 盛气凌人的那种 Um... Confident,bordering on domineering.
我认为狗狗和人类一样 Well, my view is that dogs are people as well,
我们都有独自的个性 we all have personalities.
其实 我们都是动物 In effect, we're all animals.
只不过她长了四条腿罢了 It's just that she has four legs.
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这是乔伊 这是艾迪 This is Joey and this is Eddie.
我女儿叫他拉夫.劳伦 My daughter named him after Ralph Lauren.
"丽丽普特"是个女孩子 Lilliput is a little girl,
你可以叫她丽丽 and you can call her Lily.
本片中 全部的受访者 All the people in this film
都在同一处公园和他们的爱犬散步 walk their dogs in the same park.
汉普特斯西斯是伦敦最大的绿色公园 Hampstead Heath is the biggest green space in London
成百的狗狗们每天都在这散步 and hundreds of dogs are walked here every day.
那么这些人为什么要养狗狗呢? So why do people have dogs?
他们的爱犬在日常生活中扮演的又是什么角色呢? And what role do their dogs play in their daily lives?
- 请问你叫什么名字? - 艾琳 - Can I ask you your name? - Irene.Irene.
- 这是你的狗狗 对吧? - 是的 - And this is your dog, Irene? - Yeah.
这只狗狗叫什么? 雪雪 And what's the dog called? Snowy.
她是什么品种? And what breed is Snowy?
西高地白梗犬 She's a West Highland Terrier.
- 她多大了? - 五个月 - And how old is she? - Five months.
- 也就是说...她只是只幼犬? - 是的 是的 - Is she? Oh, so she's just a puppy? - Yeah, yeah.
- 这宝宝多大了? - 十一个月 - And how old is the baby? - 11 months.
- 十一个月? - 是的 - 11 months? - Yeah.
- 你当奶奶了 是吧? - 是的 - And are you a grandma? - Yeah.
你为什么要养狗狗? And what made you get a dog?
我也想生一个 I got broody.
因为宝宝? Did you? Was that because of the baby?
宝宝出生后 我也想生一个 After the baby was born, I got really broody.
- 真是这样? - 是的 - Is it true? - Yes.
- 这么说你们是"双喜临门"? - 是的 - So now, you've both got a baby? - Yeah.
请问你叫什么名字? Can I ask you your name?
甘.珀普 Yes, it's Guy Pope.
- 我看到了你的牧师服领子[像狗项圈] - 是的 - And I can see your dog collar. - Yes.
- 你是本地的一名牧师吗? - 是的 - So are you a local vicar? - Yes.
教会能养狗吗? Is the dog allowed in the church?
他每周末都会去教堂 Oh, he comes to church on Sundays,
不过他认为教堂就是免费饼干 but he believes church is for biscuits.
当人们看见你身着牧师装带狗散步的时候 When people see you with a dog and with a dog collar,
他们是什么反应? what's their reaction?
我发现我在这座公园里能和很多 I actually find I talk to a lot of people on the Heath
我本不会接触到的人聊天 who I wouldn't otherwise talk to,
通过和狗狗散步这种田园般的方式 and end up doing quite a lot of pastoral things on the Heath,
因为人们喜欢遛狗的时候彼此交流 because people talk as we walk dogs.
牵着狗狗出来和别人一起散步彼此沟通的感觉 It's amazing the things that come out and we're able to talk through
很惬意 as we walk the dogs.
- 这么说你算是通过"伯迪"来传播上帝的精神? - 是的! - So you're doing kind of spiritual outreach through Bertie? - Yes!
他是什么品种? What kind of dog is he?
波尔多犬 法国獒犬 He's a Dogue de Bordeaux, a French Mastiff.
- 他多大了? - 差不多十九个月了 - How old is he? - He's about 19 months now.
这么说他还算是婴儿? So is he still a puppy?
他还在长个子 He's still growing outwards,
我想他还会继续长宽 he'll still get wider, I think.
- 他不会再长高 但会长宽? - 是的 - So he won't get any taller, but he might get wider? - Yes.
- 真是只大狗狗 - 他很健壮 他是我的心肝 - Cos that is a big dog. - He is massive. He's my baby.
当我看到你在公园散步时 When I saw you walking on the Heath,
"巴迪"就像是拖着你在前面领路 and Buddy was really pulling on the lead,
他真是只大狗狗 我当时吓坏了 and he's a big dog, and I was quite scared.
- 确实很大 - 但是... - Yeah. - And...
- 我现在知道"巴迪"是只温顺的狗狗 - 是的 - I know now that Buddy is a soppy dog. - Yeah.
但陌生人看到你都会往坏处想 But people seeing you are going to think that.
是的 这是他们错误的认识 但... Yeah, they get the wrong impression, but...
究竟是错误的认识 Is it the wrong impression
还是你很喜欢看到他们害怕你的样子? or do you quite like them being a bit scared of you?
不 我不喜欢 No, I don't.
我认识那的其他人 他们有养比特斗牛犬的 But I know other people out there that's got the Pit Bulls
斯塔福犬的 and they've got the Staffs,
罗特韦尔犬的 法国獒犬的 they've got the Rottweilers and they've got the French Mastiffs and that,
他们很顾虑带狗狗在路上散步 and they do think they're hard walking down the road.
我的话 不会 I don't, personally.
我能带着小不点吉娃娃上街 I could walk down the road with a little Chihuahua and...
但你的不是吉娃娃 你牵的是法国獒犬 But you don't, you walk down the road with a French Mastiff.
我爱他 所以要给他自由 Because I love him and I got him for free.
跟上 莉莉! Come on, Lily!
我超爱白色的毛毛的小动物 I love little white fluffy animals.
你说白色毛毛小动物 When you say you like white fluffy animals,
是指所有的动物 do you mean you like all animals
还是特别指其中的白色毛毛类? or you like white ones specifically?
所有的动物! Oh, I love all animals!
一如既往 无可救药的喜欢他们 I always have done,I just adore them.
但我还是更偏向喜欢 But I've always had a real extra soft spot
小巧的白色毛毛的那些 for little white fluffy ones.
猫猫 小白兔等等之类的 Um... Cats, little rabbits, anything like that.
小北极熊宝宝 我的最爱 Just little polar bear babies, my favourite.
白色毛毛的小北极熊宝宝 Little white fluffy polar bear babies.
我的最爱 My favourite.
很容易让人作出这样的狗狗 It's easy to make an assumption
是人类宝宝替身的假设 that a dog like thatis a baby substitute.
她对你来说是这样的吗? Yeah. Is that what she is to you?
- 完全不是 - 不是 - Definitely not. - No.
我尽可能的保证 I do very much try to ensure
无时不刻把她当狗狗那样对待 that she is at all times treated like a dog.
我不是那种酷爱宝宝的人 I'm not the biggest lover of babies.
- 这么说你不想要孩子 玛丽安娜? - 不想 - So you don't want children, Marianne? - No.
-你想过要孩子吗? Have you ever wanted children?
没 完全没想过 没 No. Not really, no.
抱歉 I'm sorry!
我更喜欢小猫小狗 I just prefer puppies and kittens.
沃恩的家离汉普特斯西斯公园三英里远 Warren lives three miles from Hampstead Heath
靠着北环高速路的一处小区 on an estate next to the North Circular.
你是哪一类的青少年 What kind of a teenager were you?
我曾是不良的那种 I was a bit of a naughty teenager.
我曾惹过麻烦 额... I got myself in a bit of trouble and that. Um...
什么麻烦 沃恩? What kind of trouble, Warren?
经常打架斗殴 Just fighting a lot and that.
我现如今后悔了 I regret it now though.
之后我被学校开除 Then I got kicked out at school.
直接走入社会工作 一直当工人 园林工 Went to... straight into work. I've always been a worker. I'm a grafter.
后来... And, um...
我有了不光彩的记录 Then, I had a little bad spell and that.
进了监狱 Went to prison.
- 你为什么入狱 沃恩? - 严重伤害罪 - What was it you were sent to prison for, Warren? - GBH.
这是个十分严重的罪行 So that's quite a serious offence.
是个十分严重的罪行 That is quite a serious offence.
你做了什么? And what was it that you'd done?
有两个小子想抢劫我 Two boys tried robbing me
事实是 他们想抢劫我 我正当防卫 and this is the truth, tried to rob me, I defended myself.
却坐了三年牢 And got three years for it.
- 你弄伤了他们 是吗? - 是的 - OK, so you hurt them, did you? - Yeah.
- 两个? - 其中一个 - Both of them? - One of them.
其中一个 那他如今怎么样了 One of them. And how is he now?
不知道 他没事了吧 I don't know. He's fine now.
他没事 因为当时他还上法庭控告我 He was fine, because he came to court and pressed charges against me.
你当时怎么弄伤他的 徒手还是用武器? And how, did you hurt him with your hands or with a weapon?
- 用武器 我不想说这个... - 什么武器? - With a weapon but I'm embarrassed to say... - What was the weapon?
是他的武器 不是我的 是他的 It was his weapon, it wasn't my weapon, it was his weapon.
真难以启齿 And it's embarrassing.
- 是什么? - 是把刀 不过 - What was it? - It was a knife but...
不是我的 是他的 it weren't me who had it, it was him who had it
我当时想着.. 乖 别动! and I was trying to... Come here, stop!
我当时想着自卫 I was trying to defend myself.
- 所以你捅了他? - 是的 - OK, so you stabbed him? - Yeah.
- 捅了几下? - 一下 就一下 我跑了 - How many times? - Once. Once, I ran away.
- 你捅了他什么地方? - 他的腋窝下面 - And where did you stab him? - Underneath his armpit.
对此你有什么感觉 沃恩? And how do you feel about that now, Warren?
说实话 我不想想这件事 我难以启齿 I hate the thought of it. I'm embarrassed to say it, to tell the truth.
难以启齿 很后悔 I am embarrassed to say it. I regret it.
- 因此你被判了三年? - 是的 - And you were sentenced to three years? - Yeah.
你坐了多久牢 And how long did you do?
十八个月 I got about 18 months.
这只狗狗叫什么? What's the name of the dog?
她叫凯瑟琳王妃 但我们叫她凯蒂 Her name is Princess Catherine, but we call her Katie.
- 你们在英国看了那场王室婚礼的吗? - 是的 - And where you in the UK for the royal wedding? - Uh-huh. Yes, we were.
是的 Yeah, we were.
所以她叫凯瑟琳王妃 So is she called Princess Catherine
- 以凯特.米德尔顿的名字命名? - 是的 - after Kate Middleton? - Yes.
和最近收养的这只阿尔萨斯犬一样 As well as having recently acquired an Alsatian puppy,
戴夫和凯丽同时要迎来宝宝的出世 Dave and Kelly are also expecting a baby.
- 这是你们第一个孩子? - 是的 - This is your first baby? - Yes.
你们读过什么有关 And have you read any books about having a baby
育婴和养狗相结合的书没? and combining it with having a dog?
是的 我们有本叫"你的狗狗和你的宝宝"的书 Yes, we have a book that's called,I think it's called Your Dog And Your Baby,
讲的是转变 界限还有警示 and it's just a transition, boundaries and just rules,
例如 不要让狗狗和宝宝独自相处 that you shouldn't leave your dog alone with your baby
还有 宝宝出生后 and just...whether she should have her own kennel per se
狗狗是否要有自己的狗屋 when things are erratic with the baby and, so...
书里提到 我们可以找小狗学校托管 And we got that through our puppy school, they recommended that.
如果有人跟我说 If someone said to me,
"绝不要让你的狗狗和你的宝宝单独相处" "Never leave your dog with your baby,"
那我就会再三想清楚是否让狗狗陪宝宝成长 that would make me think twice about having a dog with the baby.
你们会再三考虑吗? 不会 Has that made you think twice? No.
理论上 这一条成立 但我相信动物 In theory, never, you know, trust an animal.
他们都有大自然的天性 They do have, you know, wild sort of instincts.
去捡回来! Go get it!
"我想她是一只训练有素的狗狗" 'I think she's, she's on her way to being a highly trained dog.'
去捡 Get it!
"我想她也会非常爱护自己的家庭" 'I think she loves her family so much,'
她非常忠诚和无私奉献 and she's so dedicated and loyal
我只知道她一定会 that I couldn't see her doing anything
孜孜不倦的保护宝宝 but protecting the baby and loving it.
书里有介绍什么特别方法 Are there special instructions for what to do
不会让狗狗吃宝宝的醋或者有被排斥的感觉吗? so the dog doesn't feel jealous or excluded?
书上说在家里摆着她习惯裹的毯子 They do say to bring home a blanket that she's been wrapped in.
当戴夫比我早回家的时候 So when Dave comes home in between me coming home,
他会拿着这条毯子沾着宝宝的气味让她闻 will bring a blanket and have her sniff it and have it with the scent of the baby.
这样当我们生了宝宝后 她就不会受惊了 So when we actually bring in the baby, that it's not a shock.
是的 让他闻闻宝宝 Yeah, let her sniff the baby
宝宝在家的时候 让她向宝宝做自我介绍 and, when the baby is here, to allow her to introduce herself to the baby
彼此之间增进点了解 and get to know the baby a little bit by, you know,
四处闻闻弄明白周围发生的事情 sniffing around and see what's going on,
比藏着掖着不让他们见面的好 instead of keeping it a mystery, keeping it away and...
- 我们会用包容的手段来处理 - 没错 - We're going to take an inclusive approach. - Uh-huh.
- 请问你叫什么名字? - 阿尔伯特.阿伯拉 - Can you tell me what your name is? - Albert Abela.
- 这里的五只狗狗都是你的吗? - 都是我的 - And are these five dogs all yours? - All mine.
他们是什么品种的? And what kind of dog are they?
卷毛狮子犬 法国品种 They're Bichon Frises,a French breed.
五只真是相当多啊 Five is an awful lot.
没错 我本养了一公一母两只 It is. I had the parents
后来他们生了三只狗崽崽 and when they had a litter of three.
我不忍心让他们骨肉分离 索性全都养起来 I couldn't part with them and decided to keep them all and...
所以我有五只 And I have five.
能告诉我他们都叫什么吗? Can you tell me their names?
可以 父亲叫莫扎特 母亲叫萝莉塔 Yes, the father is called Mozart, the mother is Lolita,
三只崽崽叫 苏丹 龙舌兰 茄子 and the three children - Sultan, Tequila and Aubergine.
你的狗狗真吸引眼球啊 They're quite a sight, your dogs.
是的 人们总是会驻足观望 Yes, they always turn heads in the park.
我狗狗散步的时候 时常会被问及他们的事 I'm asked about them on a regular basis when I take them for a walk.
你喜欢人们的评论吗? Do you like the comments?
大多数时候 是的 Most of the time, yes.
我很高兴 人们喜欢 I'm glad that people appreciate them,
如果我们停下回答游人问题的话 although it tends to lengthen the walk
会延长散步的时间 if we're stopped too many times for questions.
这么说你不是个炒作者? So you're not an attention seeker?
不是 不是 I'm not, I'm not.
当你和这些狗狗散步的时候 你看着就像是 When you walk with these dogs, you look like you must be.
我们确实 确实吸引了不少眼球 We do, we do get a lot of attention, that's for sure.
阿尔伯特是个商人 Albert is a businessman
他和他的狗狗住在一处封闭式小区里 and lives with his dogs in a gated community,
西斯公园的北面 just north of the Heath.
阿尔伯特 你是个有钱人吗? Are you a wealthy man, Albert?
我非常有钱 是的 I'm fairly wealthy, yes.
是不是有佣人一直帮你? Did you grow up with staff in the house to help?
是的 一直都有人帮我 Um, yes, yes. I've always had somebody to help me.
- 谁会找份看护狗狗的工作? - 我就是其中之一 - Whose job is it to look after the dogs? - I am the one.
你的工作要清理狗粪吗? Is it your job to pick up the dog mess?
是的 是的 职责所在 Yeah, yeah, it's my job.
你是个壮汉 You're a big beefy guy
而这些狗狗是那种娇柔可爱的 and the dogs are quite sort of feminine and fluffy.
你不觉得格格不入吗? Is that an issue for you?
我不觉得他们是娇柔的那种 I wouldn't say they're feminine.
额...很明显 他们不是大型犬 Um... They're not large dogs, obviously.
其他人会养更阳刚些的罗特韦尔犬或者杜宾犬 Some people would find a Rottweiler or a Doberman more masculine.
你不认为这些狗狗会影响你的阳刚之气? So you don't feel these dogs put your masculinity in question?
不会 不会 哥的阳刚之气很足 不会有影响的 No, no, my masculinity is quite safe, it's not under threat.
所以 我不会因为这五只毛茸茸的狗狗 So... No, I don't, I don't have a complex
产生纠结的心态 about having five little fluffy white dogs.
乖宝宝 贝儿 这边 Good girl, Bell. This way.
二月时节 尽管下了场大雪 It's February and, despite a heavy snowfall,
狗狗和他们的主人仍然大批外出散步 the dogs and their owners are still out in force.
你的狗狗叫什么 What is the name of your dog?
蓝铃草 不过我叫她贝拉 Her name's Bluebell, but I call her Bella.
她是什么品种 And what kind of dog is she?
魏玛猎犬 She's a Weimaraner.
大多数人念"外玛" 我念"魏玛" Most people pronounce it a "Why-maraner," but I say Weimaraner.
她是纯种狗狗? And is she a pedigree dog?
是的 她是 Yes, she's a pedigree.
你每天都来西斯公园散步吗 吉莉? Do you walk around the Heath every day, Gilly?
我几乎每天都带她来这散步 I walk her on the Heath nearly every day.
至少两三个钟头 At least two to three hours I walk her.
她觉得这就是小彭布罗克郡 She thinks this is a little bit of Pembrokeshire.
我在那住了二十五年 I lived there for 25 years,
我们那有很大很大的庄园和池塘 and we had a big, big garden and a pond...
非常舒服 Um... It was really nice.
我三个孩子都在那长大 在那我养过很多狗狗 My three children were there and I had a lot of dogs there.
我过去是专门养狗的 I used to breed dogs.
我只把我的狗狗从家乡带来 So the only thing I brought from my home was my dog.
其他的都留下了 I left everything else.
吉莉如今住在离西斯公园半英里外的 Gilly now lives in a homeless hostel,
无家可归者旅馆 half a mile from Hampstead Heath.
吉莉 你出了什么事? 怎么了? What happened, Gilly? What went wrong?
我老公的生意... My partner's business was,
他很努力挽回 但我不知道 he was struggling and I didn't know.
我没帮上忙 因为我抑郁症好多年了 And then, I didn't help, cos I had depression for quite a few years
我五年没离开家 结果 and I didn't leave the house for five years, so...
有一天 他回来跟我说 And then, he just came home and says,
"我们当中有一个必须离开" "One of us has to leave."
结果...他走了 我的世界崩溃了 And um...he left and my old world burst.
我二十三岁和约瑟夫在一起 I'd been with Joseph since I was 23.
从来没...没想过他会离开我 It was... Never thought he would ever leave me.
我们就像两只天鹅 I felt we were like two swans.
我没想过他会离开我 I never thought he would leave me.
我真的还很爱他 I do still love him.
我永远深爱着他 I never will stop loving him.
贝拉 这边! Bella, Bluebell, this way!
吉莉 你们分开的时候 孩子们多大? So how old were your children when everything fell apart, Gilly?
约瑟夫当时十四 现在十六了 Joseph was 14. He's 16 now.
詹姆斯当时二十一 欧瑞恩当时二十六 James was 21 and Orion was 26.
这么说你同样失去了孩子? So you've lost your children as well?
是的 我失去了我的孩子 Yes, I've lost my children.
如果我有所公寓 我会让儿子跟我住 You know, if I had a flat,I would have my son with me.
但我没有 我不想要我的儿子 But I haven't got a flat and I wouldn't want my son...
住在这种地方 living like this.
向我形容一下这里生活 Describe to me what life is like here.
你只要熬过每一天 Well, you just have to get through the day.
生活就会变得与众不同 Life is very, very different.
贝拉是如何应付这样的生活的? And how does Bella cope with this life?
起初 她觉得很不安 She found it very stressful in the beginning,
因为这里很吵 进出的人流很频繁 because there's a lot of noise and a lot of people coming and going.
贝拉 嘘! Bella, shh!
她只是有点点不安 And she just finds it a bit stressful,
因为她听到走廊的脚步声 cos she hears the walking along the corridor
还有别的房间的杂声 and all the different rooms.
但她跟着我比跟着别人强 But she is, she'd rather be with me than with somebody else.
有时 我想过把她送去动物收容中心 Sometimes, I've thought about re-homing her
但我做不到 and I just can't.
我不忍心这么对她 她会伤心的 I just can't do it to her.It'd break her heart.
应该也会伤你的心 And it would presumably break your heart, too.
伤我的心 是的 我不忍心 I'd break my heart! Yeah, no, I couldn't.
我不想一觉醒来发现失去了贝拉 I wouldn't wake up if I lost Bella.
我已经失去了一切 You know, I'd have lost then everything.
她是我唯一的依靠 She's the only thing I've got.
乖孩子! Good girl!
乖孩子 Good girl.
莉莉穿的马套很漂亮 Lily is wearing a very beautiful harness.
我刚才在弄水晶 I've just been playing with crystals
做了几块水晶碎片当装饰 and making a few bits and pieces.
是为了出售还是什么目的? And it's that going to be a business or what is it you're actually doing?
这是在做时装秀 如果效果好的话 Um, well, it's a collection that will, if all goes well,
就会拿去卖 这是狗狗们独一无二的 it'll be launched for sale, and it will be extremely high-end,
高端装饰 very exclusive pieces for doggies.
这项圈是完全手工缝制的 Well, the collars will be entirely hand-stitched,
我相信是独一无二的一款 which I believe are the only collars of the kind that are,
意味着能用到永远 which means that they will essentially last for ever.
每条项圈都用匹配的皮革牵狗绳 And each collar will have a matching leather lead
搭配合适的装饰 with a matching embellishment.
这还有珠宝牵狗绳 But that'll also be a jewellery chain lead.
事实上这是条牵狗绳 But essentially,that's your, that's your lead,
是条不会断的牵狗绳 and that's the one that's just not going to break.
上面是施华洛世奇的水晶和珍珠 And that's just hundreds of Swarovski crystals and pearls.
这样的一条牵狗绳要多少钱? How much is a lead like that going to cost?
价格大概在五百至六百英镑左右 They are probably looking at around about 500-600
服装呢? 这些是狗狗服装吗? What about clothes? Are they doggy clothes?
这有些外套 无袖连身装 There's a few little coats, jumpers,
手纺 手染 手织的 安哥拉毛绒无袖连身衣 hand-spun, hand-dyed, hand-knitted angora jumpers,
很软 很可爱 颜色鲜活 which are really fluffy and incredibly cute, very pretty colours.
同样还有裙子 专为隆重场合准备的 A few dresses as well,just for the red-carpet occasions.
那公狗狗呢? And what about the male dogs?
这有些蝴蝶结领带的礼服 小西服 Oh, there's some little bow-tie outfits and little suits.
这件是皮制的 This one is made from leather
上面还有小巧的纹章修饰 and it has the little emblem details on it.
如果狗狗很强壮 And then, if the doggy is being very good,
他能在自己背上的小口袋里装上食物 then, he might be allowed to pocket one of his little treats on its back
当他表现良好的时候 你就能拿出来奖励他了 that you can then get out when he's been behaving himself.
- 你是一个人住吗 玛丽安娜? - 是的 - Do you live on your own, Marianne? - I do.
- 你是单身吗? - 是的 - Then, are you single? - Yes.
我不知道你是否和异性同居过 I don't know whether you've ever cohabited with a partner,
但和狗狗住与和人住有什么不同吗? but how is it different living with a dog than living with a person?
首先很明显 我不能 Well, you obviously can't have,
你跟狗狗不会有复杂的对话 you can't have detailed conversations with dogs.
我是说你们直接交流最多只用几个词 I mean, you might exchange a few words at most.
所以在这个领域 狗狗们是很安静的 Um... So, to that extent, they're lot quieter.
狗狗们要求也很少 They're also a lot less demanding.
只要你满足了他们的基本需要 As long as you have their basic needs met,
狗狗们就会开心的不得了 这是他们最开心的事 then doggies tend to be quite happy and that's the best thing ever.
很明显和人一起住 他们还要别的需求 Obviously, with people, they... they have other needs.
所以 显然是有区别的 But, obviously, there is a difference.
我不讨厌和人住 I see that, I'm not that dotty.
请问你叫什么名字? Can you tell me your name?
希拉.卡斯伯格 K, A, R, S, B, E, R, G. Sheila Karsberg. K, A, R, S, B, E, R, G.
这只狗狗叫什么? And what's the dog called?
雪花米莉 因为她全身都是雪花 Millie Snowflakes, cos she's got snowflakes all over her.
你和雪花米莉独自住? Do you live on your own with Millie Snowflakes?
是的 从我妈妈去世以后 是的 Yes. Since my mum died, yes.
我们走 米莉 下来! 乖孩子 Come on, Millie, down! Good girl.
乖孩子 米莉 Good girl, Millie.
你怎么看待她的 希拉 How do you think of her, Sheila,
你的挚友还是你的宝宝 她是什么? is she your best friend or your baby, what is she?
她是我的狗狗宝贝 She's my doggy-woggy.
嚄! Whoo!
快车老头来了 Here is the speed merchant on his thingy.
- 早上好 - 早上好 - Morning! - Morning!
玛戈特和苏在西斯公园过去十年里 Margot and Sue have been walking their dogs together
每天都和他们的狗狗一起散步 on Hampstead Heath every day for the last ten years.
玛戈特八十二岁了 Margot is 82.
值得庆幸的是 我们最近没遇到过尸体 We haven't had any dead bodies,I'm happy to say, recently.
你好 Hello!
这里曾经发现过尸体? Have there been dead bodies found?
是的 两人 去年 上吊 Yes, people...two, last year,hanging.
两人是自杀的吗? Was it two suicides?
这里有发现不是自杀的尸体吗? And have there been other bodies that have been found that aren't suicides?
有 遇见过一具被肢解的女士尸体 Yes, we had a decomposing lady...
相当恶心 就在那边 ..which was rather nasty. That was over there, and...
一个散步者当时想上厕所 A walker was bursting to spend a penny,
在林子里蹲下 就开始尖叫了 bent down and screamed.
我想她这辈子再也 And I don't think she will ever,
再也不敢随地大小便了吧 ever, ever, spend a penny in the open again.
你能想象的到吗? Can you imagine?
不过我们认为这是个笑话 Anyway, we think that was dumped,
如果尸体真在那 不管什么时间 because Luna would have found her,
卢娜都会找到她 if it had been there for any lengths of time.
卢娜是苏的狗狗 她很善于找东西 是吧? So Luna is Sue's dog and she's good at finding things, isn't she?
卢娜能找到胸罩 钱 任何东西 Luna finds bras, money, anything.
山羊的头 Goats' heads...
你捡到什么了 卢娜? What have you got, Luna?
苏 卢娜抓到只老鼠 Sue! Luna's got a rat!
已是三月时节 吉莉结识了迈克 It's March and Gilly has befriended Michael,
一位无家可归者招待所的住户 a fellow resident from the homeless hostel.
吉莉 这周出了什么事? So tell me what's been going on this week, Gilly?
你在招待所惹了什么麻烦? And why are you in trouble with the hostel?
- 迈克买了些百威啤酒 - 是的 - Well, I think Michael got some Budweisers and... - Yeah, I did. Yes.
我们只喝了一点 但我们现在要守行为了 Only a little drink, but we've been very good since then.
我们正在处分期... 不再喝脏水[酒]了 So... We're on the road of...no more dirty water.
- 戒酒 - 戒酒 - On the wagon. - On the wagon.
就这样 So, yeah.
我们这周真心很惨 So that's, you know, now we have to be REALLY good this week,
因为我们得了黄牌 cos we've had a yellow card.
所以 绝对要戒酒了 So teetotal.
问题是 我们还把别人卷入其中 Well, we got everybody else involved as well, and that was a problem.
最后变成了狂欢派对持续到凌晨六点 You know, it sort of escalated into a party until six in the morning.
我们还去特易购买了些炸鸡 Yes. Cos we went and bought some chickens from Tesco's
我们太忘乎所以了 and we fed a lot of them and...
是的 持续到早上六点 Yes, it did go on till six in the morning.
所以我得了黄牌 That's why I got a yellow card.
得另一张牌会怎么样? What happens if you get another card?
红牌 我们要搬出去了 Red card, we're out.
所以我们现在要守行为 That's why we really need to be good,
因为他们允许我养狗 cos they're allowing me to have a dog.
我是招待所为一个养狗的人 所以 I'm the only person with a dog in the hostel, so yes...
无节制的饮酒 You know, and drinking as well,
你得为狗狗考虑 我们所做的事太不堪了 you need to be in control of the dog and it was naughty what we did.
是的 太不堪了 Yeah, it was naughty.
不会再有下次了 因为贝拉长大了 So not again, cos Bella is a big girl and, you know,
要照顾她 发生这种事不太好 it's not very good when you've got a big dog to look after, so yes...
我们这次的麻烦惹大了 We've been, um...been in the dog house.
当他三年前出狱的时候 When he came out of prison three years ago,
沃恩和他十七岁的女友生了宝宝 Warren and his 17-year-old girlfriend had a little boy,
取名弗兰基 called Frankie.
弗兰基的妈妈现在在哪? Frankie's mum, where is she now?
她在霍洛威监狱服刑 She's actually in the Holloway prison now.
她为什么要坐牢? And what is she in prison for?
参加骚乱[2011年8月伦敦骚乱] Riots.
每次一想到这个我就忍不住想笑 It makes me laugh every time I think about it.
- 你为何而笑? - 因为真的很搞笑 - Why does it make you laugh? - Because it's quite funny, actually.
事实上她是出门参加骚乱 而因此被捕 The fact that she went out, riot and then, got arrested for it.
但很多人都这么干了 不是吗? - But a lot of people did, didn't they?
为什么觉得好笑? Why is that funny?
我不知道为什么 就是觉得好笑 I don't know why it's funny, it just makes me laugh for some reason,
说不清 I don't know.
让我觉得好笑的原因是 她这么做很悲哀 Makes me laugh the fact that she was a bit sad to do it.
她不想当妈妈 真的 I mean, she's meant to be a mother, really.
- 她的愚蠢让你觉得好笑? - 对 愚蠢 - So it's her foolishness that makes you laugh? - Yeah, foolishness.
之后 我得到了弗兰基的监护权 'And then, I got custody of Frankie.'
你开心么? Are you tickly...?
当一个单亲爸爸很艰难 是吧? 'So it is quite hard being a single dad, isn't it?
是的 很艰难 'Yes, it is. It is hard.'
像你所说 积极面对弗兰基 So there you are, coping with Frankie,
是个艰巨的责任 which, as you say,is a big responsibility.
你为何又让自己 Why would you then saddle yourself
额外承担一只大型犬的责任呢 with the extra responsibility of an enormous dog?
因为他让我不会感到孤独 Because he keeps me company.
别这样 弗兰基! No, stop it, Frankie!
负责你的社工怎么看待你养狗狗这件事 沃恩? And what did your social worker think of you getting a dog, Warren?
这事就我知道 Well, it's only new to me,
社工还得慢慢发现 so the social worker still has to find out.
她还不知道 Cos she still don't know yet.
- 你养巴迪后她没来过这里? - 没有 - She hasn't been here since you got Buddy? - No.
你觉得她会说什么? What do think she's going to say?
她一个月来一次 我只养了他两个月左右 She comes once a month, you see. I've only had him two months nearly.
上个月他们没来 我不知道他们会说什么 Last month, they didn't come, so I don't know what they're going to say.
乖孩子 Good girl.
什么?! What?!
我发现具尸体 I found a body.
人类尸体? A human one?
是吗? Yes?
是的 Yes.
人类尸体 A human body.
- 你不是开玩笑吧 苏? - 不是 - Are you serious, Sue? - Yeah.
苏 死尸吗? Sue, is it a dead one?
不知道 有两个人说 看上去是死了 Don't know. I was told by two people it looked dead.
我不知所措 于是打电话叫警察来了 And I didn't know what to do, so I just phoned the constabulary.
在哪里? 那里? Where is it, there?
靠近灌木篱墙 那里 It's just up against the hedgerow,there.
你们俩似乎无意中见惯了希斯公园的死亡和杀戮了 So you two seem to come across a lot of death and destruction on the Heath.
是的 Oh, yes.
漂亮活泼的狗狗们 还有身首异处的 Beautiful and fun-filled dogs beheaded.
山羊头 我是说山羊头 Goats' heads. I said goat's head.
他坐起来了 他还活着 He's sitting up! He's alive!
他没死 He's not dead.
- 你叫什么名字? - 马丁 - What's your name? - Martin.
- 你呢? - 黛西 - And what's your name? Daisy. - Daisy.
- 黛西 马丁是你爸爸吗? - 是的 - And Daisy, is Martin your dad? - Yeah.
- 这只狗狗叫什么? - 禅 - And what's the dog called? - Zen.
为什么这只狗狗叫禅? Why is the dog called Zen?
是他不知道怎么变成其他东西 It's part of just the understanding
而摸索的一部分 that he doesn't know how to be anything else
他活在当下 and he lives in the now, and...
没有伪装 没有过去 没有未来 So there's no, no pretences, no past, no future.
现在是纯净的状态 也就是禅学最基本的境界 It's purely now, which is the basis of the Zen philosophy.
他曾帮助我恢复 And he's helped me in my recovery,
取这个名字很合适 so it just seemed to fit.
马丁 你能解释一下你说的恢复是什么吗? Can you explain why you mean by that, Martin, your recovery?
我在戒酒 Well, I'm a recovering alcoholic.
额...我... Um... I've...
我这辈子都在与酗酒斗争 反反复复 Yeah, it's being quite a trial, most of my life, on and off,
但这次 我一年半滴酒未沾了 but this time, I'm 18 months clean and sober,
这次应该能戒掉 so things seem to be working properly this time, yeah.
那你这只狗狗养了多久了? And how long have you had the dog?
额 我想想 差不多一年半 Um... Coming up, yeah, it's about 18 months, actually.
他对我的恢复起到了作用 Yeah, so it sort of tied in with my recovery.
你怎么得到这只狗狗的 马丁? How did you get the dog, Martin?
是天意 我觉得完全是天意 It was fate, I put it all down to fate,
他当时被拴在我的牙医所 because he was tied up at my dentist practice
我和诊所里的一对女孩交谈得知 and...and I got talking to a couple of the girls inside
她们准备带他去巴特西猫狗之家 and they were on the verge of taking him to Battersea.
她们为什么不要他了? And why didn't they want him?
她们说她们驾驭不了他 They just said they couldn't handle him.
他历经四次易手而且超出了她们的控制能力 He'd been through four different owners and it was just too much, so...
- 因为他的习性吗? - 是的 他太不安分了 - Because of his behaviour? - Yeah, he was just too lively.
他当时不能融入社会环境 He hadn't been socialised,
不知道自己身处何方 he just didn't know where he was, basically.
于是我对她们说 So I said, "Well, you know,
我想养他 如果她们希望他有人收养的话 "I'll have him if they, you know, want someone to have him."
你们爱养狗吗? Do you love having a dog?
是的 就像家里多了一个亲人 Yeah, it's like having an extra person in the family.
她真的非常非常可爱 She's really, really cute
她如此风趣活泼 and she's so funny and playful.
有她相伴真的很不错 It's just really nice to be around.
就像是我的特殊挚友 Yeah, it's like an extra best friend for me.
她比另一个挚友还要友好? Is she a better friend than your other best friends?
是的 是的 我觉得是这样 Yeah, yeah, I think so.
告诉我们 她是谁? So tell us, who's this?
- 她叫内丽 - 内丽到这来 亲爱的 Her name is Nelly. Nelly, come here, darling.
她叫内丽 她是什么品种 怎么这么大? So she's called Nelly, and what is she, apart from being very big?
她是莱昂伯格犬 She's called a Leonberger.
你为什么会选这么大的一只狗狗? Why have you got such a big dog?
因为我爱耍帅 Cos I'm posey,
养一只大狗狗 很帅气 and it's nice to have a big dog that's posey.
但更重要的是 她是一只"医疗犬" But more importantly,she's a therapy dog,
所以我带她去护理院和济贫院 so I take her into care homes and hospices.
她经过训练不害怕站在陌生人的身边 She comes in and is trained to stand still
让他们抚摸 to be stroked by strangers
累了就趴下休息 or lay down when she gets bored.
是你生命中的什么事让你 Is there anything in your life
想帮助那些有病患的人? that has made you want to work with people who are unwell?
我的女儿因为癌症在护理院去世 Well, my daughter died of cancer in a hospice and so...
所以很欣慰能去济贫院 ..it's nice to be able to go into hospices
为那些快要死的人做点事 and do something for those people who are dying.
所以这就是激发我这么做的因素 Yeah, so I suppose that was a sort of motivating factor.
过来! Come here!
好的 跑! OK, go!
禅! Zen!
很不错 That's good!
禅的性格如何?有什么特性? What's Zen's personality? What's his character?
禅 Zen!
他很好玩 'He's funny.'
他有点淘气 'He's a bit naughty.'
禅! Zen!
这边 过来! This way, come here!
乖孩子! Good boy!
他也会很粗鲁 'And he can be rude as well.'
- 这让你想到谁了吗? - 我自己 - Does that remind you of anybody? - Me.
但是他也很贴心 可爱 Oh, yeah. But then, he can be sweet and lovely.
- 黛西也是这样的吗 马丁? - 是的 - Does that sound like Daisy, Martin? - Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely.
- 粗鲁 淘气 但很贴心和可爱? - 是的 - Rude, naughty, but sweet and lovely? - Yeah.
在心里 我们都懂的 这样很好 Underneath, we know it. So, you know, it's all OK.
当我问"马丁是你爸爸?"的时候 你犹豫了一下 When I said, "Is Martin your dad?" you hesitated briefly,
你能解释下原因吗? 黛西 can you explain why, Daisy?
因为他不是我"爸爸" 不是我亲生爸爸 Because he's not my dad, like, he's not biologically my dad,
但在我六岁时 他就和我在一起了 but he's been there since I was six, so... Yeah.
- 所以你把他视为亲父? - 是的 - So you think of him as your dad? - Yeah.
马丁 你继养了禅 Martin, you've adopted Zen,
你同样继养了黛西 you've also, you adopted Daisy
你也给黛西定界限了吗? and did you have to give Daisy boundaries too?
是的 Um, yeah.
我觉得这是育儿的一部分 是的 是的 I think that was part, part of it. Yeah, yeah.
我认为纪律...是爱一个人方式的一部分 The discipline and... I think that's part of loving somebody, you know.
你得适当的定点规矩 You have to have boundaries in place
还有纪律 惩罚之类的 and discipline and consequences and stuff like that.
这是养育的一部分 不是吗? It's part of the deal, isn't it?
拜托 里克 里克! Oh, Rick! Rick!
你搞什么啊 别这样! 乖孩子 What are you doing, come on! Good boy.
- 你好 这是你的狗狗吗? - 是的 他是 - Hello, is this your dog? - He is, yes, he is.
- 他叫什么名字? - 他叫里克 - What is his name? - His name is Rick.
他是什么品种? And what breed is he?
金毛猎犬 他是我丈夫的狗狗 He's a Golden Retriever, he's actually my husband's dog.
他五岁了 不过是只漂亮的狗狗 He's five, but he's a beautiful dog.
- 你叫什么名字? - 我叫凯伦 - And what's your name? - I'm Karen.
那也是你的狗狗吗? And is that also your dog?
这是我女儿的狗狗 叫托德 This my daughter's dog, this is Todd.
他们很欢乐 两只都是 They're joyous, both of them, in fact.
你每天都陪他们散步吗? Are you, do you walk them every day?
每天 是的 我们习以为常了 Every day, yes. This is our circuit.
过去七个月每天都来 Well, it's been every day for the last seven months,
因为 我丈夫身体现在不是很好 because my husband is not very well at the moment,
他在住院 所以... he's in hospital, so...
所以我们来这 总之是的 每一天 That's why we're here. But yes, every day.
风雨不改的来这 Come rain or come sunshine, we're here.
你住在哪? So where do you live normally?
我们住在一个迷人的小村庄 叫沃特村 Normally, we live in a lovely little village called Warter,
在东约克郡 in East Yorkshire.
- 你事实上住在约克郡? - 是的 - So you actually live in Yorkshire? - Yes.
但你过去七个月每天都来西斯公园和狗狗散步? But you've just been walking your dogs on the Heath for the last seven months?
是的 是的 七个月 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Seven months.
去年三月底 我丈夫被送院 My husband was taken, um...became very ill in,
病情开始的很严重 end of March last year.
他被紧急送进医院的时候 That's when he first went into hospital
心脏病发 脑部大量出血 and he had a heart infection, which led to a massive haemorrhage.
是细菌入侵大脑 Some of the bacteria landed in the brain
引发的大量出血 and caused a massive haemorrhage,
让他左半边身体麻痹 which has left him paralysed on the left side.
- 这么说你早上来西斯公园和狗狗散步? - 是的 - So in the mornings, you're walking the dogs on the Heath? - Yeah.
那下午呢? 去医院 And then, in the afternoon? Into the hospital.
每天下午都去医院 Into the hospital, every afternoon.
- 一周七日 天天如此? - 是的 是的 - And it's that seven days a week, is that your routine? - Yes, yeah, yeah.
每天 每周七日都如此 Every day. Seven days a week.
我的狗狗不见了 里克! I've just lost the dog. Rick!
托德! Toddie!
- 介意我去...? - 不介意 去找他们吧 - Do you mind if I just meander...? - No, go and get them.
里克!里克! Rick! Rick.
里克! 这里 Rick. Here.
乖孩子 托德 Good boy. Toddie!
嘿! 过来 Hello! Come on.
乖孩子!乖孩子! Good boy! Good boy, good boy.
来这 托德 Here. Toddie.
托德 你真是听话的乖孩子 Toddie. What a good boy you are.
里克赢了! 耶! Rick's the winner! Yeah!
很好 里克 加油 里克! Yeah, Rick, come on, Rick.
拿过来跟我们看看 希拉 Come and show us, come and show us, Sheila.
好的 好的 坐下 米莉 OK, OK. Stay there, Millie.
这是她的肖像 That's her portrait.
是你拍的吗? Did you take these?
不是 是个专业人士拍的 No, that was taken professionally.
这张是他拍米莉在桌下吃早餐喝茶的 He has her breakfast and a tea under the table there.
咖啡馆了吗? In the cafe?
咖啡馆外面 外面 Outside the cafe.Outside the cafe.
这张是她龇靚牙的 There's her showing her nice white teeth...
既然雪花米莉每天都陪着你 Even that you've got Millie Snowflakes with you,
希拉 为什么你还要带着她的照片呢? why do you carry pictures of her as well, Sheila?
我告诉你为什么吧 为了不弄丢它 I'll tell you why, to make sure I know where it is.
因为我家里的东西非常乱 Cos I... Things in my place get lost badly.
希拉 你家里乱七八糟的是吧? Is it not tidy at your place, Sheila? Oh!
年纪大了是这样的 I've got such a lot.
希拉 她今天早餐吃的什么? What did she have for breakfast today, Sheila?
人造黄油酸酪 Her Benecol yogurt.
为什么给她吃这个? Why did she have Benecol yogurt?
我不想她的心血管爆掉 Well, we don't want her gaining furred up arteries on top of what she's got.
而且她喜欢吃 And she likes it.
不过她的嘴巴还是很刁的 But she's fussy about which one she has.
- 她喜欢吃什么? - 桃子和杏子 - What flavour does she like? - Peach and apricot.
- 对狗狗没有害处吧? - 没事 - Is that good for dogs? - It's OK.
希拉 你也吃吗? Do you have it too, Sheila?
是的 我从冰箱拿两个 我一个她一个 Yes, we take two out of the fridge. And I have one and she has one.
希拉 你口袋里的是狗粪是吧? Is that a poo you've got in your pocket, Sheila?
是的 是狗粪 我打算丢到那里 Yeah, I've got one poo and I'm going to put it in there.
希拉 很高兴认识你 你继续吧 Well, nice to see you, Sheila. We'll let you get on.
走吧 米莉 Come on, Millie.
咱们把便便仍进去 We'll put the poo-poo in there,
然后我们继续散步 and then, we're going to go on walking.
把便便放进去 Let's put the poo-poo in here.
一袋便便 One poo-poo.
一袋...拜托 One... come on!
好啦 搞定! There you go, done!
没错 没错 That's it. That's it.
向上 And then, up.
干的好 Well done.
向上 约翰 And up, John.
很好 Good.
向下 And down.
向上 And up.
很不错 Good man.
- 感觉还好吧? - 是的 - Feeling all right? - Yeah.
大伸展一下 约翰 很好 Big stretch, John. Good.
约翰 你想你的狗狗吗? John, do you miss the dog?
我是说 你住院一年了 I mean, you've been in hospital for a year.
你想他吗? Do you miss the dog?
是的 我想 他非常温顺 Yeah, I do. He's a very gentle being.
他看到我总是很高兴 And he's always pleased to see me.
他对我真的很温顺 And there's something very gentle about him.
我很想念这种温顺的感觉 And I miss that gentleness.
我很想念和狗狗散步的时候 I think what I really miss is walking.
我想当的想念 与他... I miss that enormously, taking...
与他漫步 做运动 going with the dog and taking exercise.
但我问过医生 我的下半生是否会 But I have asked whether I would need a wheelchair
永远坐轮椅 我被告知的结果是 是的 我会 for the rest of my life, and I've been told, yes, I will.
你能接受这个结果吗? 约翰 Are you able to accept that, John?
由不得我不接受 I don't have much option.
你内心是怎么看待的? And how do you deal with it in your head?
就是觉得真尼玛讨厌 Well, it's just, it's a bloody nuisance.
现在 不论我的日子有多糟糕 Now, no matter how bad my day's been,
有时在非常非常黑暗 伤心 让人担忧的日子 and there's been some very, very black and sad and worrying days,
当我回到家的时候 狗狗们总是用不变的眼神 when I come home,the dogs are constant
告诉你 他们看到你很高兴 and they're so pleased to see you
让你不得不敞开自己的心扉来面对 and you're forced to look outside your own world,
必然 你面对的越久 which, you know, inevitably,
黑暗伤心的日子就会越来越少 becomes smaller and smaller the longer this is going on.
如果你不小心的话 内心就会自爆 You know, you can almost self-implode if you're not careful,
狗狗们在我身边给我了很多支持 and the dogs ground me very much.
早晨的时候 如果是雨天 或者我感到很忧郁 In the morning, if it's raining or how miserable I felt
或者昨夜没睡好 我经历过几次 or if I had a bad night's sleep, which I've had a few of,
他们在我身边好像在说 there they are saying,
"别这样 继续活下去 看看你周围" "Come on, get on with the world, look around you.
"这个地方多么的欢乐 看着这美丽的风景" "Look how joyous this place is. You know, look at the bigger picture.
"看着树林 长出叶子 鸟儿筑巢" "Look at the trees, coming into leaf and the birds starting to nest."
确实能帮你保持半正常的状态 It does help you to remain semi-normal,
我怀疑我就没正常过 if I ever have been normal, which I doubt.
- 今天过的怎么样? - 还好 - How is your day? - It's OK.
当你无家可归之时 你别无所依 When you're homeless and you haven't got anywhere to live,
真的真的很艰难 瓦内萨 it is really, really hard, Vanessa.
这就是你为什么会选择酒精 And that's why you turn to alcohol.
我头骨的一部分 I have woken up with, like, six stitches in my head
去年缝了大概六针 and I sort of fractioned my skull last year.
整整一个月都像个受伤的拳击手 I looked like a boxer for about a month.
当时太糟糕了 事实上我已经头疼好几个月了 It was really bad, actually. I had headaches for months.
所以我这里有道凹痕 一道疤 So there is like an indentation here and a sort of scar here.
我们已经尽了最大努力戒酒了 And we're doing the best we can do. We're, like, you know,
每天会来这一次唱歌 one day at a time.
你们中有谁在服用药物来缓解抑郁症? Are you, either of you, on any medication to help with depression?
我在用 我在用 I'm on medication. I'm on medication.
我在服用 安定 I'm on diazepam
还有 佐匹克隆 氟西汀 and zopiclone, fluoxetine.
来缓解我的抑郁症 That's for my depression.
哪个对你更有帮助 吉莉? So which is more helpful for you, Gilly,
贝拉还是药物? having Bella or the medication, do you think?
贝拉 Bella.
♬我们能单独在一起吗?♬ # Can we be alone together?
♬你醒来后会打给我吗?♬ # Will you call me when you wake?
♬我们之间的感情会是永远吗?♬ # Will we feel like this for ever?
♬你伤心时会打给我吗?♬ # Will you call me if you break?
♬请不要听他们的♬ # Please don't listen to them
♬他们想把你从我身边夺走♬ # They're going to take you Away from me
♬请不要听他们的♬ # Please don't listen to them
♬他们想把你从我身边夺走♬ # They want to take you away
♬我们能永远一起看星星吗?♬ # Can we shoot the stars for ever?
♬流星划落你会在吗?♬ # Will you be there when they fall?
♬把它们揽入怀中 告诉他们♬ # Catch them in our arms And tell them
♬你那无人知晓的心事♬ # Things that no-one else could know
♬请不要听他们的♬ BOTH: # Please don't listen to them
♬他们想把你从我身边夺走♬ # They want to take you away from me
♬请不要听他们的♬ # Please don't listen to them
♬他们想把你从我身边夺走♬ # They want to take you away. #
请问你们叫什么名字? Can you tell me your names?
- 我叫托尼 - 薇琪 - I'm Tony. - Vicky.
狗狗叫什么名字? And what's the dog called?
奈杰尔 Nigel.
你们给他取的是人的名字 So you've giving him a human name.
你们把看作人了吗? Do you think of him as a human?
我把他看作人? Do I think of him as a human?
没有没有 我不认为他是人 No, no. I don't think he's a human,
不过 我确实会跟他说话 but, I mean, I do talk to him
尽管知道他肯定不会回答 as if, obviously knowing that he's not going to respond.
我觉得我把他当成宝宝一样跟他说话 I suppose I talk to him as if he was a baby, you know,
就像跟宝宝说话一样 like, like one would talk to a baby.
你们有几个孩子? How many children do you have?
额 Um...
这还是第一次有人问我这样的问题 It's still the first person to actually phrase that question like that.
我们原来有三个 现在有两个 Um... We had three. We have two now.
我们有两个女儿 We have two daughters.
一个三十一 一个三十 One is 31, one is 30.
我们有个儿子去年十月份不幸死了 And we had a son who tragically was killed last October.
是一起滑翔伞事故 二十五岁 In a paragliding accident. He was 25.
我们不知道事情的全部细节 We don't know all the details,
我们只知道 当时他们六个人飞行 but what we do know is that six of them were flying.
本来是美好的一天 It was apparently a beautiful day.
当时是晚午 一两个小时后 It's late afternoon and, after a couple of hours,
同伴着陆 但他没有 they landed and he wasn't there.
当时大概是晚上六点 It was about six o'clock by that time, in the evening.
消息传来 其他人都去找他 And, so we're told, the others went to look for him
他们认为他可能是错过了 and they thought maybe he'd misunderstood
预定的着陆区 the arranged landing place.
他们又去另一处地方找 但他也不在那 And they went to another place and he wasn't there either.
他们说他们一直找到天黑 And they say they searched until it got dark.
黎明的时候 他们叫了救援队 At first light, they called the emergency services
他们在预定着陆区一公里外找了他的尸体 and they found his body about, was it about a kilometre away?
是的 在在在...在条沟里 Yeah, in, in, in a gully...
步行到不了的沟里 他们用绳索把他吊上来了的 which wasn't accessible by foot, and they had to winch him up...
但我们还不知道 But we don't know how,
不知道究竟除了什么事 他为什么会坠机 we don't know what happened and why he crashed.
他经验相当丰富 He was quite experienced.
死因庭裁决...结果是意外事故 The inquest's... the result of the inquest was misadventure.
我们永远无法知道真相 And that's something that we will never know.
我们在要么坐在角落里哭 We made the decision that either we could sit in the corner and cry
要么重新努力活下去之间做了选择 or we could try and re-engage with life as best we can,
于是我们决定重新努力活下去 and that's what we decided to do.
坐下 奈杰尔 乖孩子! Sit, Nigel! Good boy!
后来他就来了 'And he came along.'
事实上...我们叫他救生犬 He's in fact...we call him a rescue dog,
因为他拯救了我们 并不是因为他叫救生犬 because he's rescued us, not because he was a rescue dog.
他真的救了我们 就像我们俩夜里寂寞独坐 And he really has.Instead of sitting alone at night,
有人说了一句:"房里还有颗炙热的心呢" someone said, "There's another beating heart in the house,"
这话没错 and it's true.
我们不要悲观下去 我们要积极乐观 We don't do defeatism here.We only do positive.
用点奖励 这是项很困难的练习 Help, use a reward. It's a difficult exercise.
趴下 趴下 Come down, down.
让你的手按住他的颈圈 Keep your hand up near his collar,
不要按他的背 做得好 don't push him in the middle of the back! That's good!
再这么做一次 然后重来一次 Treat away again, and then back again.
他不是儿子的代替品 肯定不是 'He's not a replacement. Of course, he's not.
但他分散了我们大量的伤心 'But he's a massive distraction.'
做得好 不要再给奖励了 Good stuff! No more treats.
他是一剂良药 And he's very therapeutic.
他需要我们的关心 And he needs our attention.
我们不再无时不刻伤心了 Instead of feeling sorry for ourselves all the time,
我保证 你会变得很轻松 which, I can promise you, is very easy,
就像一个宝宝走入了你的世界 we've got something, someone here, it's like a baby or something.
我向有丧亲之痛的人极力推荐 I'd highly recommend it to anyone who has suffered a bereavement.
- 首先 请问你叫什么名字? - 马克 - First of all, could you tell me what your name is? - Mark.
- 这是你的狗狗? - 是的 And is this your dog? Yeah.
- 狗狗叫什么名字? - 基达 - And what's the dog called? - Kidda.
基达 怎么拼的? Kidda, how do you spell that?
K,I，两个D,加A K, I, double D, A.
- 是男孩还是女孩? - 男孩 - Is that, is that a boy or a girl? - A boy.
- 他是什么品种的? - 斯塔福郡斗牛犬 - And what kind of dog is he? - A Staffordshire Bull Terrier.
你养了多久了? 从狗崽崽开始到现在七年了 And how long have you had him? Seven years now, from a pup.
显然有的人喜欢斗牛犬 Obviously, some people really like Staffies
有的人则不然 你应该是喜欢的那种人 and some people don't like them so much. You obviously like them.
- 我爱它们 - 你喜欢他们什么? - I love them, yeah. - What do you like about them?
他们是非常非常好的贴心狗狗 They're very, very good, caring dogs.
他们并不是很多人常说的那样好勇斗狠 They're not aggressive like a lot of people say they are.
他们非常非常顽皮 And they're very, very playful.
那么当人们看到你和你的狗狗时 他们 And so, when people see you around with your dog, do they,
有人会离你敬而远之吗? do some people give you a wide berth?
- 很多人会 是的 - 是吗? - A lot of people do, yeah. - Do they?
七年前你为什么要养狗狗? What was happening seven years ago when you got the dog?
我爸爸当时生病了 Well, my dad was a little bit ill.
他开始有点老人痴呆 He started to suffer with dementia.
我离开了自己生活圈子 跟他一起住 I gave up my place to go and live with him.
- 就你和他? - 是的 - So it was just you and him? - Yeah.
你照顾了他多久? And you cared for him for how long?
大概... For about...
总共五六年吧 about five, six years, in total.
在那之前你是干什么的? 我是搞音乐的 Before that, what were you doing? I was doing a bit of music.
我是我朋友戈尔迪的私人助理 Yeah, I was doing a bit of music. I was a PA for my friend Goldie.
基本上我是全天候待命一把抓 Well, basically, I was on 24-hour call-out to do anything, basically,
什么都得做 还有音乐商务 what needed to be done and had to do with the music business.
你从全天候的摇滚音乐人 So you went from 24-hour rock 'n' roll lifestyle...
- 转变为全天候的伺候老爹的护士? - 是的 - to 24-hour carer for your dad? - Yeah.
但你这么做是放弃了你人生中最大的追求 But that's a big chunk of your life you've been doing that?
是的 就像有些人说的 我放弃了人生中 Yeah, like some people say it's a big chunk of my life
最大的追求 但在我眼里 我没有放弃 that I've flinged away, but, in my eyes, it's not flinged away.
照顾我爸爸是我人生中最好的时光 That was really the best time of my life, looking after my father.
- 狗狗也和你 你爸爸一起生活? - 是的 - So, presumably, the dog was living with you and your dad? - Yeah.
你爸爸和他相处的如何? How was your dad with the dog?
起初他和狗狗相处的很融洽 He was all right with the dog at first.
他过去很爱狗狗 狗狗也爱他 He used to love... The dog was, really,
他基本把时间花在狗狗身上了 took up a lot of his time.
他过去白天和狗狗坐在门阶上 He used to sit on the doorstep with the dog in the day time,
但随着痴呆症的恶化 but as the dementia got worsened...
就像俗语说的 彼此之间的关系悄然恶化 With some people a sign is that they get aggressive and don't realise they're getting aggressive.
我爸爸有了跟手杖之后 And the way my dad's got his walking stick,
他开始用手杖挥向狗狗 he would start waving the walking stick at the dog
狗狗很显然不愿意他这么做 and the dog obviously didn't like it,
他本来从没向我爸爸咆哮过 he would never growl at my dad.
当他挥手杖的时候 我就说 But, obviously, when he's waving, I says,
"爸爸 你不能拿手杖这么挥他 你不能这么做" "But, Dad, you can't wave the stick at the dog like that, you can't do that."
事态愈演愈烈 Until it got to a stage where, basically,
大多数时候我不得不把狗狗拴在花园里 I had to put the dog in the garden most of the times, yeah.
你现在还会去看他吗? 马克 Do you still visit him now, Mark?
是的每隔两天我会去老人中心看他 Yeah, every two days I go down to the day centre to see him.
他现在认得出你吗? And does he recognise you now?
有时 他认得出 Sometimes, he does.
看着你 可能不会 Looking at you, he might not.
但听到你的声音 But when he hears my voice,
他会花时间想一下 it would take him time to circulate,
他的大脑想想 才知道是我 his brain circulates and notice that's me.
但他曾问过我几次"马克 是不是你 是不是你" But yeah, he'd ask me a few times. "Is that you, is that you, Mark?"
我说"是的 是我 爸爸" And I'd say, "Yeah, it's me, Dad."
但只是看着你的话 有时他就认不出了 But looking at you, sometimes he won't recognise you.
你是那种自然而然喜欢关心别人的人吗? Are you someone who is naturally good at caring for another person?
是的 我是 Yeah, I am, yeah.
就像妹妹们跟我说的 Like my sisters used to say to me,
还有我爸爸 我爸爸 当他生病的时候 and my father, you know, my father, when he went ill,
我这辈子什么都不缺 that I would never have nothing in life,
因为我无私奉献 because I give everything away, basically.
有时我关心别人比关心自己还多 And I care for other people more than you care for yourself sometimes.
这就是我妹妹们最担心我的 And that's what really frightens my sisters about me.
她们说我太关心别人了 They say I show too much love to other people
就是不会关心自己 and not enough to myself. Yeah.
是真的吗? 马克 Is that true, Mark?
我试过跟自己说 这不是真的 I try to say to myself it's not true, but...
但在现实世界中 这是真的 是真的 in the real world, it's true. Yeah, it is true.
- 那谁照顾你? 马克 - 基本上来说 没人 - And who looks after you, Mark? - Well, basically, no-one.
他是唯一一个照顾我的 他是只狗狗 He's the only one who looks after me. I'd say it's the dog, really.
他是我前进的动力 It's him that keeps me going, like I said, yeah.
马克 你需要找个人来照顾你了 You need someone else to look after you, Mark.
是的 我知道 Yeah, I know.
伯迪 Bertie!
过来 Come on!
嘿! Hello!
别叫了 Stop it.
四月时节 戴夫和凯丽的宝宝出生了 It's April, and Dave and Kelly have had their baby.
嘿 Hey.
进来吧 别管它 Come on in! Don't mind the barking dog.
凯丽和宝宝在医院住了三晚了 Kelly stayed in the hospital for three nights with the baby
我是第二晚回来的 and I came home after the second night
我带毯子回来 and I brought home a blanket with me.
我从朋友家接了凯蒂 带了毯子回来 I picked up Katie from a friend's house and brought a blanket home with me.
第二天早上 我和他们一起吃了早饭 The next morning when I went to have breakfast with them,
我每次去看他们都带着这条毯子 and I kept bringing blankets home every time I would go to visit.
我不知道这有多大用处 I don't know that it had much effect,
但狗狗和宝宝似乎相处的很好 but they seem to get on all right.
凯蒂对她非常好奇 她喜欢嗅她 Katie's been very curious about her. She likes to sniff her.
凯蒂在你们生孩子期间 OK, so Katie wasn't traumatised
和你们分开 她心里没受伤? by being separated from you during the birth?
凯蒂过去从不毁坏任何东西 Katie, in the past, has never destroyed anything,
她从来不咬任何东西 she's never chewed anything,
她从没有弄坏我们的东西 she's never wrecked any of our things.
但当我回到家的时候 她毁了两双鞋 When I came home, she had destroyed two pairs of shoes.
所以我觉得这是她 So I think that was a sign of her...
紧张不安的表现 高度紧张 of her nervousness and her stress, high stress levels.
那你们自己对于凯蒂在宝宝身边 And are you aware of any feelings of nervousness yourselves
有感到不安吗? about Katie being around the baby?
是的 回来后的第一晚有一次 Yeah, there was one point when, on the first day, we...
抱歉 我想是回来后的第二晚 Well, I guess it was our second day home,
我们把宝宝放进婴儿床 we had the baby in the crib
她开始哭 凯蒂朝婴儿床咆哮 and she started to cry and Katie growled at the crib.
我想她觉得婴儿床正在伤害宝宝 I think she thought the crib was hurting the baby.
但听到她朝婴儿床咆哮 让我们有点紧张 But to hear her growl in that direction made us a bit nervous.
真可爱 Sweetie.
你好啊 Hello.
吃奶奶? Some of this?
我从没见过她向宝宝龇牙咧嘴 我不担心 I've never seen her show her teeth to the baby. I'm not worried.
我认为她喜欢这个小家伙 I think she loves this little thing,
尽管她不太知道这是什么 even though she doesn't really know what it is yet.
- 我会小心谨慎 但不是担心 - 是的是的当然 - I would say cautious, but not worried. - Yeah. Yeah, of course.
乖孩子 过来 Good girl, come on.
告诉我们 贝拉怎么了? So, tell me, how is Bella?
她不太高兴 她在节食 She's not very happy, she's on a diet.
她要减六公斤 She needs to lose about six kilos.
是的 她超重了 Yes, she's quite overweight.
她之前超重过吗? 吉莉 Was she ever overweight before, Gilly?
没有 她住进招待所之后超重的 No, she's become overweight whilst in the hostel,
因为人人都喂她 because everybody feeds her.
他们总是"这有骨头""这有匹萨" They're, "Oh, there is a shank bone" or "there's some pizza."
他们总是不听喂她吃 They're always sort of giving her things,
现在 我们会说"不要" so now, we, we just say, "No."
复活节过的怎么样? 吉莉 And how was Easter, Gilly?
复活节过的很开心 Oh, Easter was very emotional. I didn't see my son over Easter.
复活节见到你的孩子没? Did you see any of your children over Easter?
我见到欧瑞恩 我的长子 I saw Orion, my eldest son,
但没见到詹姆斯和约瑟夫 but it didn't see James and Joseph.
我只是不停不停等他们打电话给我 So I was just waiting and waiting for them to ring
我不想起来了 and that's way I just didn't want to get up.
我烦透了 I was just so fed up.
我吃了点安眠药 I took a few sleeping tablets.
- 你吃了多少 - 十二片 - How many did you take? - I took 12.
吃的太多了 That's quite a lot.
是的 Yes, it was.
足够我昏迷的了 It was enough to knock me out.
你意识到你可能永远不会醒吗? Did it cross your mind that you might never wake up?
对我来说真没什么 Um, it didn't really bother me, actually.
一睡不起 真没什么 Doesn't really bother me not waking up.
现在你有乐观积极的想法吗? Is there anything to feel optimistic about at this point?
我只得走一步算一步 I just have to take each day as it comes.
我已到了否极泰来的时候了 I can't get any lower, really.
你只能往好的地方想 You have to look at it that way
不然你只会每天自怨自艾 or you'd be feeling sorry for yourself constantly.
那情况就会更糟 It could be worse.
我们会张虱子 头虱 疥疮 We could have fleas, we could have head lice. Scabies.
我们还可能会长疥疮 We could have scabies.
还会更糟的 It could be worse.
约翰出院了,跟凯伦一起回到了约克郡
负责沃恩的社工允许他继续养狗
吉莉还是住在流浪者旅馆
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